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Post by elder on Mar 23, 2014 9:22:10 GMT
I have been reading the forum and it appears that and early 400 is the biggest motor that the Eco-Exo will easily take but then I read the catalogue page: www.eco-exo.com/eco-exo_kit_2.htmlwww.eco-exo.com/eco-exo-r_-_kit_price_6.htmland it clearly says that the kit is designed for a 650. Designed for would include the bit about being the easiest kit on the market to build. Is it or isn't it? PS Will you be at Stoneleigh May 2014? |
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Post by Scott on Mar 23, 2014 10:07:12 GMT
Hi,
You are correct that a 650cc is suggested to fit, unfortunately we have not had the development time as yet, (due to constant orders), only so many hours in the day,,,,
The problem being is the 650cc has a separate swing arm unit, not combined as part of the engine driveline like the 400cc,,, hence this will mean the design of the chassis will have to change, by extending the length this will result in increasing the width. This has been looked into a number of times, but the design changes and costs simply don't add up for the small power you gain over the 400cc,
I honestly have yet to meet anyone that has driven one and asked for more power & Speed, (Roger will vouch for that), I was looking for a little more power during our engine rebuild but it looks like the engine was very poor (had suffered a 4 point seizure at some point) and it looks as though you can't get oversize pistons etc for the burgman, so it will get a standard rebuild which I know will give me the extra power / Speed I was expecting,
We will be at Stoneleigh on the MEV Owners stand outside, and you are more than welcome to come and have a drive,,, (don't forget your deposit though!!)
Cheers Scott
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Post by roger32849 on Mar 24, 2014 20:20:48 GMT
I am vouching for the speed and power of Burgman 400 motor. While this is not the Incredible Hulk of an engine it gets you down the road at a very nice clip. I cruises easily at 65 MPH and handles well. There is plenty of power left to sustain that speed even while negotiating hilly terrain. In short, the power is there as well as the speed, and for the record it will easily hit 75 MPH and there is more left her.
I agree with Scott, test drive the demo, and don't forget your deposit.
Roger
Worcester, Massachusetts
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Post by erik on Mar 24, 2014 21:55:28 GMT
If you feel like this Hotrod is safe to drive 75mph a powerfull Exo might be something for you.
Keep on mind this hotrod is limited at 85kmh for safety reasons. yes it's street legal and the cocpit area is much wider as the exo.
I think it would be awesome to have the Exo scaled up a bit with tR1ke front suspension and car wheels for a hardcore single seater. Right now seeing mine in the garage makes me hesitant to go over 60mph because of it's limmited dimensions. it's pretty close to a soap box racer LOL!!
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Post by elder on Mar 25, 2014 15:51:15 GMT
I don't disagree about the 400 being enough but I was surprised to see the 650 being advertised in the catalogue when there appears to be no intention to offer it for sale. Just confusing. I have been having a look and Burgmans are surprisingly expensive here (both new & 2nd hand) and I concur with erik about the lack of obvious extra front wheel/brake assemblies for sale. Has anybody got the overall dimensions for a complete Exo? I agree about the single seater but I would want to keep the bigger engines that the tR1ke enjoys although I am not convince of the merit of using a Yamaha that was last made 14 years ago as the basis for something that I would build to keep. BMW, Guzzi, Triumph (in the UK anyway), Ducati yes - Yamaha, Suzuki I am doubtful - Honda , best of the Japanese for the longer term. Do you remember these Renault 5 powered 3 wheelers (the old 1990's Renault 5's with the inline engine that was behind the gearbox rather than the later transverse models)?: www.3wheelers.com/hudson.html |
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Post by Scott on Mar 25, 2014 19:27:59 GMT
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Post by elder on Mar 26, 2014 9:30:51 GMT
The dimensions give "track width" which I would normally think of the distance between the centre of the treads of each wheel. www.ehow.com/how_5850001_measure-track-vehicle.htmlIs the 1650mm the overall width or the track width? I need the overall width. |
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Post by Scott on Mar 26, 2014 9:56:10 GMT
Track with is actually 1450mm, typo on website, I will update,
Overall width is 1700mm
Overall length is 2700 with no plate panel,
Cheers Scott
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Post by qdos on Jan 20, 2015 21:35:19 GMT
Things have gone a bit quiet on the forum these last few weeks so I thought I'd liven things up a bit. I'm probably a bit mad for doing this on several counts but I thought I'd let you guys know I'm fetching a donor bike tomorrow that I came across at a pretty good price so I figured heck why not.... Picking up a 650 Burgman tomorrow afternoon and will be looking at using it on the new protoype There that should liven things up again  |
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Post by nigel on Jan 20, 2015 22:07:48 GMT
Things have gone a bit quiet on the forum these last few weeks so I thought I'd liven things up a bit. I'm probably a bit mad for doing this on several counts but I thought I'd let you guys know I'm fetching a donor bike tomorrow that I came across at a pretty good price so I figured heck why not.... Picking up a 650 Burgman tomorrow afternoon and will be looking at using it on the new protoype There that should liven things up again
Picture worth a 1,000 words, images are always good at grabbing peoples attention 
Why not consider starting a build 'blog' thread Kelvin, like Stuart has on the Replicar Board (link)
nigel
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Post by davej98002 on Jan 20, 2015 22:36:04 GMT
I am sure that some will jump in and say "Why 650?"  . But Kelvin You already have my answer.  If you can keep it a low cost kit, I'd try to buy one. |
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Post by qdos on Jan 21, 2015 10:36:04 GMT
I agree but its the top gear approach..... More power. Bigger. Faster.
All totally unnecessary but that's what grabs the headlines and people can seldom imagine a bigger engine in a vehicle when a smaller one they seldom have an issue with imagining that.
Besides it's a bit of a bargain price of a donor
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Post by roger32849 on Jan 22, 2015 2:11:32 GMT
I know it has been DEAD as a door nail here on the forum. We have been busy with the holidays and settling into the short days of winter (now getting longer). I have been working getting the trike all ironed out and the gauge cluster and windshield mount or modifications You are correct, some people will say  WHAT??? To the 650cc. I hope it works for you and the business. You might want to show some preliminary photos and engineering sketches as you progress. I can see some very good aspects of having a 650 power plant... making a two seater for instance.,or designing and adding trailer towing capabilities for long cross country rides. That extra power can be harnessed for not only for speed but for rides that requires mountain driving and possibly with 2 people aboard. I weigh a little over 200 pounds and currently the 2008 Burgman 400cc does a great job. No complaints here, just smiles. What we need here is someone to buy a kit and start building. Either that, or start posting progress on that RT model. Roger Worcester, Massachusetts |
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Post by davej98002 on Jan 22, 2015 6:12:41 GMT
<<<SNIP>>> You might want to show some preliminary photos and engineering sketches as you progress. I can see some very good aspects of having a 650 power plant... making a two seater for instance, or designing and adding trailer towing capabilities for long cross country rides. That extra power can be harnessed for not only for speed but for rides that requires mountain driving and possibly with 2 people aboard. I weigh a little over 200 pounds and currently the 2008 Burgman 400cc does a great job. No complaints here, just smiles. What we need here is someone to buy a kit and start building. Either that, or start posting progress on that RT model.
RogerWorcester, Massachusetts One of the things I have thought about if I were to buy a 400 kit for my 650 build, was to split the cage area and weld in longer tubes to make it a side by side two seater. In the photos of the "R" kit it looks like there is room behind the seat area to cut the tubes and slide the 650s engine up just behind the seat back. A VW sized 155/80 15 tire would fit on a Burgman 650's front rim. I am running a 185/60 HR 14 on my Burgman's rear now. Dang Kelvin, I could do your R&D for ya.  |
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Post by roger32849 on Jan 22, 2015 14:30:22 GMT
I believe if a person were to attempt a modification to the Eco-Exo-R to widen it and add a 650 engine why not then just buy the TR1ke. For all the mods it would take to make the 400 chassis wider, it would be easier to make the 650 Burgman engine adaptable to something already designed for 2 people. I am not apposed to some R&D on the 400'S current design, it actually needs some tweaking to accommodate the 2007 and newer donors. The bonnet for instance, could be made without the access hole for the handlebars when buying the "R" model. An updated design could incorperate provisions to mount the OEM clocks and windshield. Naturally the engine motor mounts need to be relocated, but this is more of a repositioning than a serious design change. Finally, to make room for the throttle body, the fuel tank needs to be raised or modified. Fitting the OEM air filter is an impossibility. When a kit states it requires a specific donor, the builder should be able to use as many parts and pieces of that donor as he/she can to complete the build. The Eco-Exo-R chassis design is nearly 100%, it just needs to be able to adapt the 2007 and newer Burgman AN400 parts to it.
Finally, would I like to see an Eco-Exo with a 650cc engine or a 2 up configuration?? .... of course I would, but not at the expense of sacrificing safety or compromising it's basic design. I hope I can speak for Edward, but we both enjoy our 400cc trikes. We both have been proponents and goodwill ambassadors trying to increase the market for this amazing little machine. It is a great Father and Son project and the reward at the end is, you get to drive it. I would like to see Eco-Exo sales here in the US increase. With the introduction of the Polaris Slingshot, and it's endeavour to get it legal in Indiania, Texas and Connecticut, only blazes the trail for Eco-Exo sales in all 50 states.
I am hopeful Kevin will consider the information provided on the forum by current builders, Erik, Edward and myself. The future of any product is in its manufacturer to keep it updated and current. Design change is mandatory, otherwise we all would be either walking or driving a model "T" Ford.
You have a great product Kevin, that being said, how can we help you make it better?
Roger
Worcester, Massachusetts
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. But Kelvin You already have my answer. 
If you can keep it a low cost kit, I'd try to buy one. 
WHAT??? To the 650cc. I hope it works for you and the business. You might want to show some preliminary photos and engineering sketches as you progress. I can see some very good aspects of having a 650 power plant... making a two seater for instance.,or designing and adding trailer towing capabilities for long cross country rides. That extra power can be harnessed for not only for speed but for rides that requires mountain driving and possibly with 2 people aboard. I weigh a little over 200 pounds and currently the 2008 Burgman 400cc does a great job. No complaints here, just smiles. 