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Post by greg on Nov 18, 2015 11:38:03 GMT
Has anyone done this or know who can? When I go to register my Exocet, the mileage gets reported like any normal car. Would prefer to start at 0 instead of 140k...
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Post by lhintze on Nov 18, 2015 12:06:28 GMT
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Post by adelaideexocet on Nov 18, 2015 12:53:33 GMT
I believe it's possible with some computer gadgetry! There is a guy in my local mx5 club that reckons he can do it. But I'll follow this thread too!
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Post by Shane on Nov 18, 2015 19:23:33 GMT
Isn't "Clocking" the car illegal and pretty obvious if dialed back to 0?
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Post by kiwicanfly on Nov 18, 2015 20:44:04 GMT
Doing some quick Internet searches on this subject it is clearly illegal for a normal car, no surprise there. I wondered what the law says if you change, for example, the engine for new, but even then it is illegal as the mileage is for the whole car not just the engine. If you changed a failed speedo for a secondhand one with higher mileage then you can turn back the replacement but you are supposed to send in the old one for proof of mileage or prove by other means. You will also see the Ebay dude has a disclaimer as to the reason for recalibration. You can also use plates declaring the mileage prior to speedo change or the engine change. However returning to the mileage on the car itself, in the case of a kit car, whether it is the new build or the donor that should be declared is an interesting dilemna. There are many builds where the engine and running gear is taken from a donor but a new speedo is used which starts at zero, is this the same as clocking? I am no lawyer but if I was buying a completed kit car I would want to know what was on key components, especially the engine. Also in the case of an Exocet which is almost all donor with a new body I would definitely want to know, for example if I bought a used MX5 with really low mileage I would not be impressed if the owner said they had clocked it because they had replaced the drivers door due to rusting and was therefore entitled to do so! Yes I know that was extreme but hopefully you get the point. However after thinking about this, and reading my own argument, I have to admit I have confused myself  If the issue was simply at the time of resale then the new owner should be informed as to the mileage of the donor in my opinion however at the time of registration a legal statement is being made so I would be checking the rules further I reckon. |
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Post by adelaideexocet on Nov 18, 2015 23:17:03 GMT
In Australia it is legal to do it on an individually constructed vehicle (icv) as it is considered a New, one off construction.
However I think this is an ethical rather than a legal dilemma, should I buy the car I would want to know how many km the engine/box and original components have done, but if I have clocked the original odometer then there is no way (other than going into the ecu) to know the actual km. my odo reads 145k, the actual km of the car is 130k (instrument cluster swap as a mate wanted white gauge face!) so I would like to have it go back to this, but I do t want to spend heaps to get it done. The other option is a new non mx5 dash (which would need rewiring) or look for a good 2nd hand dash with about the right km!
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Post by nzexo on Nov 19, 2015 2:23:20 GMT
Robinson's instruments in Auckland can reset mechanical odometers, if they know it's for a scratch built car. Maybe they can do it for the digital one too? www.robinsoninstruments.co.nz/ |
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Post by greg on Nov 19, 2015 12:55:47 GMT
This is not illegal in Pa as I am registering the car as a Specialty Constructed vehicle. Which literally means a car built from scratch. It will get a PA title with whatever number I wish to use as a VIN (in my case the VIN will be from the manufacturer statement of origin which is printed on a plate mounted to my chassis on the firewall) and the make/model will be Exomotive Exocet as if it were a production car.
PA seems to be the best place to register any vehicle as you can literally register anything without a title as a specialty constructed vehicle. Even trailers.
If I was registering it as a Miata, then it would be illegal to play with the odometer. It can be done that way though too, but I opt for the easier way.
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Post by lhintze on Nov 19, 2015 15:00:23 GMT
^this is exactly what I went thru in WV, my VIN was the chassis number from Exomotive, I turned in the Miata title and the certificate of origin from Exomotive. I had I disagreeembled vehicle title 2 weeks later.
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Post by Stiggy on Nov 19, 2015 16:03:00 GMT
according to the DVSA, age related registrations are considered new at the time of registration thus qualifying for exemption from MOT for 3 years. So leaving the mileage as it was in the donor could be considered more misleading than clocking it, perhaps?
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Post by greg on Nov 19, 2015 17:14:52 GMT
according to the DVSA, age related registrations are considered new at the time of registration thus qualifying for exemption from MOT for 3 years. So leaving the mileage as it was in the donor could be considered more misleading than clocking it, perhaps? yes that's one of the main reasons I would like to register it as 0 miles instead of 140k or whatever is on there now. It will be especially misleading for site that report vin history information like Carfax. When the Exocet was "new" how could it go from 140k to 0? That will automatically flag odometer fraud when in reality it's not. Same with state inspections where the milage is reported every year. This might cause confusion with my insurance when they check the back ground. Really is best to reset it now before registering the car so it'll start at 0 just like a brand new car. |
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Post by einy on Nov 19, 2015 23:13:02 GMT
Greg,
When I got my insurance, they had me send in a picture of my current odometer to set the "starting point".
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Post by kiwicanfly on Nov 20, 2015 0:19:19 GMT
Whilst it seems to be Ok to reset in these circumstances I think I would be keeping a record with some sort of proof of the donor mileage.
Better to record and not need than the other way round!
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Post by BobN on Nov 21, 2015 10:01:08 GMT
Not sure if this applies but all the Rockets I have seen have aftermarket gauges and the mileage are all set at zero (don't think it's possible to manually set it to donor mileage).
My gauge therefore reads 5k but the donor it as 60k miles. Which is important to remember especially for cambelt changes etc. This is also clearly on my build diary.
Bob
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Post by mzr0818 on Mar 29, 2017 20:23:05 GMT
I know this is a very old thread, but are there any updates or has anyone accomplished this on a digital cluster in the states?
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If the issue was simply at the time of resale then the new owner should be informed as to the mileage of the donor in my opinion however at the time of registration a legal statement is being made so I would be checking the rules further I reckon.
