Which r1?

[tr6ke]

Right not 100% I'm going to convert but weighing up my options to convert to r1 power plant. Seems a lot of money for only 30bhp but ill see.

My question is which r1 engine code should I be looking for?

[erik]

Don't go that way, really...
It's not only the engine but everything what's connected to the harness. You need to convert an R1 harness to fit the tR1ke too which is very time consuming.

You may change your sprocket ratio.

[tr6ke]

When I tried to sell mine the common reaction seemed to be people wanted the r1 version.
Although I am keeping it now there will become I time that the Mrs wants a bigger house and it will have to go so just thinking about the future

[Deleted]

R1 all the way, you don't have enough grunt with a 600cc engine. Might be fast in a bike, but not in a tr1ke, its a big job, but worth doing. Its not just swapping the engine, its engine mounts, swingarm mounts maybe, a complete re-wire of looms, its a good 1 week of hard graft altering from the R6 to an R1 with a Kit Car master. But the 147BHP you get will have you laughing every time you drive it. Its pure insanity,

Basically it comes down to how much you want it, how much you are prepared to alter it, and a degree of understanding how to make it all work.

If you bought this thing to try and turn a huge profit, you are dreaming. As it stands now, it's under powered, tatty and in heavy need of TLC.

Spend some time and money making it look beautiful again, and not adding things like spoilers, and travel luggage. No point in adding more things without getting the CORE look right, otherwise its just another dogs dinner project.

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[wonderbadger]

I'd be interested to know what sort of performance the R6 engine is getting in the tR6ke and what advantage the move to an R1 would give.

What model year is the R6 engine? Assuming its one of the 108hp models I'm not convinced by the assumption of not having enough grunt. Yes the torque is a little low on those engines but assuming a 360KG weight for the tR6ke and an 80KG driver it should still be doing around a 4.5 second 0-60 so if the gearing is right for the torque available is it worth the time and money it would take to knock a second off that? For road use and occasional track use I can't see the justification. I would think that if you are happy with the performance then the handling should be the same and paying out a lot for additional bragging rights might not be worth it. I suppose it would be the difference between the pure insanity mentioned and just plane bonkers.

Another thing to consider is the reliability of the R6 with the additional load, but with the reduced gearing compared to a bike installation it it may well not be putting much extra pressure on the internals.

Have you spoken to RTR about the R6 installation? I'm assuming they didn't just grab one off the shelf and hope it was OK. In order to put their name on a factory built one I would think they must be happy with it and have a view on its longer term reliability.

[Deleted]

Crack on, but don't think that an R6 powerplant trike will pull R1 TR1KE money, because it won't, and there was a big reason for the utter ball ache of fitting the R6 engine, it was because the prospective buyer was scared with the rapid acceleration from the R1. It was a very difficult build for RTR, because the engine didn't fit the frame, the swingarm was too short, it was a huge undertaking to fit the R6 lump, however from what I remember of the build, the engine was relatively new, and would be worth keeping because of that. But I don't agree that the R6 has enough grunt to do a 0 - 60 time in 4.5 secs, not when I was doing that in my R1 version. But hey, who knows.

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[kiwicanfly]

Oct 29, 2014 9:18:26 GMT venom said:

it was because the prospective buyer was scared with the rapid acceleration from the R1.

LOL you would think he could have just bought some lighter shoes

[Deleted]

It comes down to this

How good are you with a welder?

How good are you with tools?

Or if the answer is Flakey.....

How much money do you have to pay someone to make the changes you want.

I was neither to start with when I commenced building my MNR and then my TR1KE.

I learnt how to Tig weld, learnt by mistakes how to change wiring, fabricate etc.

If you want the toys, and have no endless pot of cash like most of us, you learn how to do it yourself, its the only way yo keep the price down to get the toy you want. I suspect you bought the R6 thinking it was gonna be a fun toy for a year or two, but after reality set in, you knew it needed major work and thought that it would easily sell on eBay. The thing is, even in the height of the summer, Pristine cars like Matt's Rocket weren't even selling, and that was one hell of a car and freshly powder coated and rebuilt, so its not just you, but in my opinion, make it look beautiful again, because when Peter took delivery, it was a thing of beauty, from its Projection headlights, to its custom reverse system.

Replace all the stuff its missing.

It needs another tank

Needs the nose fitting, this is a quick job fitting the nose, took me 40 minutes to get the nose in place so it could be removed again. Dremel the nose cone out, find a place for the clock, mine was right in front of the wheel. Cut an access hole for the lead for the clock, so you can remove the nose.

Remove the awful wing, but offer as an accessory, luggage is spot on, but get it sprayed to the same Ral colour as the body, this will look mint.

Fit the seats, dremel the holes for the seatbelts, fit the belts. Etc

Spend a couple of months now towards 2015 making it beautiful, then get yer arse to Stoneleigh and put it up for sale if you still want to sell it.

Is it helpful for me to come and offer some pointers? I'm not that far away.

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[wonderbadger]

In theory with 147 BHP, 360KG tR1ke weight and an 80KG driver you should be getting under 3.5 seconds 0-60 rather then the 4.5. Has anyone done some reasonably accurate 0-60 tests in a tR1ke? If your gearing was set so first gear went to the 75mph I think I saw mentioned in one of your posts then that might explain the slower initial pick-up if you were geared for higher top speed rather than acceleration.

[Deleted]

I could achieve 0-74 in first gear in approx 4.5 secs with a warm day, warm tire etc, but all aspects of the day and road need to be perfect, mine was standard gearing, I know that Kevin was achieving similar times but geared for faster acceleration so about 0-60 in that time, and you can't assume that all drivers weigh in at 80KG?

An R1 trike is the way to go, plenty enough power, but I can't speak for an R6, I know how a bike goes, but it never as a bike had enough poke for me, I always opted for a 1000cc of power over an entry level 600cc which is what the R6 is.It might be fast enough for you as a bike, it isn't and wasn't for me.

Anyway, I don't really care anymore, as I don't own a trike anymore.

Enjoy....

[andy7b]

I'm sure the R6 is fine but you will absolutely notice the more grunt from the R1, it's not the 0-60 times or how much power blah blah it will be when your driving along normaly and want to nip past something or have to slow down a bit behind a car going up a hill, the R1 in top gear can tootle along from 45mph to a hundred and plenty without changing down, I don't think the R6 would have the range that the R1 has.
It is a kit car at the end of the day so all are built to suit their owner, get stuck in and have fun with it :-)

[Deleted]

If I was going to build another (Can't say never, as I just don't know how I will feel in 4 years time), I would still opt for the R1 power plant, or personally, I would opt for a 1000cc V-Twin power plant from a Honda VTR or even SP1, at 108 BHP from the VTR engine, the torque is amazing, and I managed a respectable 150 MPH past a police bike on the A64 with relative ease, it was as fast as my mates Fazer 1000cc with his 141 BHP, for me I wouldn't need anymore power than that. I really enjoyed mine for the nearly three years I had it, as Andy says, its not about how fast you can get to 60 MPH, its about overall experience of being able to cruise around in a high gear, knowing if you put your foot down it is going to have the grunt to accelerate without knocking it down 2 gears to get away,

I come from a background of power with big bikes, jetski's etc, I have had low powered bikes, I still have my VFR 400, but compare that to a VFR 750, its nothing like it. Although it will rev up to 14,500 RPM, I still haven't seen a bike be able to do that since, the smaller engine just doesn't have the response time that its big brother does.

[hightower]

I've opted for the zx10 in my rocket but I'm a big guy ( 6"6 and 18 stone ) so the extra grunt will come in handy and as was said earlier each to there own so long as it puts a smile on your face and people stop and stare,it isn't about who's is biggest,fastest or most expensive enjoyment and pride is top of my list .

[Deleted]

yeah for me, I would say over half my pleasure was people staring, commenting, I will miss that. I don't get that in my Kia Rio :-)

[tr6ke]

Decided to leave my Tr6ke well alone. It is plenty capable enough in its own right.

Thanks for the replys useful or otherwise.