Track Day Rules?

[Stiggy]

All the circuit owners need to do is insist that reverse trikes take a passenger. Imagine a plan view triangle with a wheel in each corner. The engine near the rear corner and the occupants either side nearer the front 2 corners. Without the balance provided by a passenger a trike will take corners at higher speeds to the right than to the left and this can cause safety issues that the circuits are afraid of.

[slugshot]

Or fit a quality anti roll bar and fuel tank as close to the front left wheel as possible.
I don't see why i should have to take a dead weight just so i can play.
Theres plenty of 4 wheel cars out there that can't corner as good as my tR1ke but they don't get banned just because another of the same vehicle tips over.

[Stiggy]

You are a good driver Kev, you have had lots of experience and have pushed on in your trike to find it's safe operating envelope. Others have not had your experience and some will get into difficulty if not aware of the huge difference adding a passenger makes. Anti roll bars can help but the suspension needs to remain compliant. Weight distribution is a more critical area and unless this area is hammered home then no doubt we will face trike tips and lose more track trike opportunities. Look at the Trex and you will see the track width is huge.

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mmmmmmmm T-Rex ...... mmmmmmmmmmm Make it so Mr Mills, make a T-Rex copy :-)

[johnp]

It would be interesting to see some cornering vids and stats. Nick's avatar pic gives me an idea - pick a corner on your test circuit, Stuart, and throw some cars at it - a tR1ke, Exocet, Rocket and owt else that's available - run them both directions through the corner with a camera on board showing speed (speedo or GPS) and an app. on an accelerometer-equipped phone taped to the binacle will give G force. I know you're a busy boy but perhaps some local Moggers will lend a hand? It may also provide some ammunition for tR1kists re. track days.

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In all the daft driving I did in ownership, it never felt unstable....ever, never lifted a wheel in a corner, now get the wrong corner, wrong weight shifted, and yes im sure you can and will come unstuck, but it can be said for any vehicle if you are really pushing it, it can and does happen that a car will roll going into a hard corner whichever it is.

Track owners, Man Up, and let people drive on the track in whatever vehicle they spent the time building or customising to race on a track, the vehicles should be scrutinised to a certain degree, if after all that its flipped or damaged, the only responsibility it is, is the owner or driver of the vehicle. Anyone attending a track day knows they have no insurance for damage, its the risk you take. Surely if I had crashed my trike on the road, I would not have been banned from ever driving it on the roads again?


This decision is wrong........Full Stop.

And ultimately, the people losing out are the end customer, who spent lots of money building something they might only ever use on a track.

That being the case I might buy a heap and attend Llandow and roll it on a corner to see if my car and all of that car are then banned

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Nov 28, 2014 10:26:07 GMT Stiggy said:

You are a good driver Kev, you have had lots of experience and have pushed on in your trike to find it's safe operating envelope. Others have not had your experience and some will get into difficulty if not aware of the huge difference adding a passenger makes. Anti roll bars can help but the suspension needs to remain compliant. Weight distribution is a more critical area and unless this area is hammered home then no doubt we will face trike tips and lose more track trike opportunities. Look at the Trex and you will see the track width is huge.

My ARB is adjustable and and is set to still let the car roll a little plus its compliant enough to let the suspension work.
Sure having a passenger would help on left turns, especially if you don't have good an ARB fitted, but the downside is extra weight on the wrong side for right turns. There's no way mine would get to the point of tipping over on left turns with the track as wide as it is now.
Plus adding a passenger takes away some of the advantage of the light weight tR1ke, to prove this to Myself I have compared times with and without a passenger at Blyton which is a very grippy and predominantly left handed track.

All this talk of tRkes tipping over is pointless really as track owners have their minds brain washed into thinking all trikes are the same which is what is the problem at the end of the day.
You could design a new trike with a ridiculously wide front track and it would still be banned simply because its a trike.