% required to register on a new plate

[Paul (madeye)]

i bought a focus to donor for the rocket, but the engine & gearbox will be receipted as a new reconditioned unit as only the casings pistons and rods will be standard, ill be using some connections from the loom but omex will be main part. im looking at new shafts, hubs & discs, hispec front brakes and discs, recon rear calipers until iva done.
so... im happy for it to be registered on the 03 plate of the focus, but a 63 would be better i think, but dont want to chance getting a 'Q' reg.
i had a quick flick through the book but it was futile.
anyone got the definitive answer please??

cheers, paul

[airforceone]

Hi Paul.

The requirement for a new reg, according to Paul at RTR was that at least the engine or
Gearbox had to be new. But if you look at Ade's ST build he has used the engine
And the gearbox as well as most of the ST running gear.

So I think it is open to interpretation.

I had a donor car but have binned everything with the exception
Of the steering section.

Best to speak to Paul for the definitive answer if there is one.

Ned.

[Paul (madeye)]

are you thinking the same as me, to try for new reg. and then use age related as a fallback plan?
i just dont want to aim off for new, then they say no but say that now i cant go with the '03' plate and have to accept a Q. i would be devastated after so much expense.

[airforceone]

Both my engine and gearbox are new. Only donor items I have used
Are steering column, brake res and coolant water res. So I shouldn't
Have any problems.

Q plate does have it's ups, emissions for a start and insurance should be
Lower. To be honest I wouldn't be that bothered. If you sell your car in the future
You will never get back what you put into it. I'v seen some really good builds
Go for a lot less than what they cost in parts never mind time put into the build.

Ned

[Scott]

Paul,

I'd be going for new plate, you can have all new parts or all new and 1 x major component reconditioned proof of rebuild or parts used etc if you did it yourself,

When you complete the paperwork, I think there is only a few parts that need to be confirmed, like chassis, engine, gearbox, suspension, steering,

Look online for the form, I will digit out tomorrow,

Just a note DVLA DO NOT need to inspect any kit car if being registered as new!!! So if you paperwork and build pictures are up to scratch then you should have no problems,,,

Age related should be viewed which is simply to check engine and chassis numbers etc,,,,

I will have a dig out tomorrow and post some more info,,

Scott

[Paul (madeye)]

thank you very much indeed, appreciated.

paul

[Scott]

Found the form you can download from .Gov - V627/1

www.direct.gov.uk/en/diol1/doitonline/dg_4017568

You can see only a few parts need confirmation of where they came from, from my history of building and registering it all comes down to keep paperwork and evidence,,

Just a note i have heard, if you go for New plate and you cant support this correctly, then you will be given a Q Plate, you cant then argue for the age related!!!

Hope that helps Scott

[roadtrackrace]

I'll try and give a definitive answer here on this subject.

The DVLA V627/1 Built Up Vehicle Inspection Report asks you to fill in information about the following 'major components':

Chassis/Body Shell
Axles
Transmission
Steering Assembly
Engine
Suspension (front and back)

One of these major components can be "Reconditioned", the rest need to be "New" or "Remanufactured" to perform as a new component would, therefore classed as new.

This is where it becomes a little grey.

If you go to Ford and buy a Focus brake caliper, it will be new and have never been fitted to a car, however, if you go to a motor factors and buy a Focus caliper, it will have been remanufactured (they normally ask for the old caliper in exchange), however, the DVLA are happy that this is new. The same applies for the Sierra steering racks that we supply with the RHD kits, which are purchased as new but are remanufactured.

The Steering Assembly comprises wheel, column, rack, trackrod ends, front uprights etc most of which are new. The column is modified so we can convincingly argue that the "steering assembly" is at the very least remanufactured.

Gearboxes are generally classed as reconditioned due to the fact that some gearbox reconditioning companies have a very loose interpretation of what reconditioning is. We use Ace Gearboxes www.acegearboxes.co.uk/ who replace everything in the box with new components and only use the outer casing. This could easily be classed as 'remanufacture' and therefore 'new' in the eyes of the DVLA.

Engines are readily available new at bargain prices so remanufacture is not normally the chosen route and reconditioning is open to interpretation as it is impossible for the DVLA to inspect the engine internally. Providing your engine looks spot on and you have a bill or two to support your reconditioning (i.e. all service items used etc) then they are happy with this.

Axles are driveshafts, and these are so cheap new from various sources www.jandrcvjoints.co.uk/ etc it's not worth the hassle of changing the CV boots to recondition them.

Suspension, chassis/bodyshell are new with the kit this bit is also easy.

When a car comes to us for an IVA test, we ask customers to present us with documentary evidence i.e. receipts to support their car's new build status (as opposed to being built from a single donor and therefore getting an age related plate).

We then (if required) present this evidence to the DVLA and thus far, all new builds have been registered accordingly.

I hope this make things a little clearer.

RTR

[mightylad]

My 2p's worth...

Why worry about getting a new plate? Mines age related but i could just put a private plate on it and no one would know!

As Scott mentions in his post, if your not 100% sure and the dvla doesn't accept the info provided you will automatically only get a 'Q'... Again not a massive problem except you can't put a private plate on a Q reg car.... Some might say 'so what!'

For me, i was going to change the plate on the Rocket but in the end settled on not bothering... After all, whatever the plate it doesn't make the car any quicker!!

Cheers, Ol

[Paul (madeye)]

yep, thats the route im taking, ill age relate it to the '03' if a plate ever comes up ill get one. im not building the car to sell so its not really an issue now i have sat and thought about it.
it will be the supercharger and all the gubbins making it go quicker..lol ;D
so your 2p's worth is very relevant ol, cheers mate..

paul