Swedish Rocket

[filled]

My building took a long time. I have had 200 km to the garage and both working and studying.

Today it is registered for Swedish roads.

In the summer time will go to adjustments and changes to such things that I might not bid so well in the beginning. Then I will work with the finish and then maybe a new engine. I want a ST170 engine unless it not involves too much work.

Poor English, but better that than I write in Swedish

[johnp]

The finished car looks great. Do you have any video? (You can show it in a similar way to the photos.)
Courtesy of google: Den färdiga bilen ser bra ut. Har du någon video? (Du kan visa det på ett liknande sätt som bilder.)

[filled]

Thanks!
I have, unfortunately, no video.

[filled]

Feb 17, 2017 21:17:08 GMT daydreamer said:

Hi Filled,

Congratulations on getting the car road registered.

Re Gear Change.
Difficulty getting 1,3 and 5th suggests that the fore/aft cable needs adjusting. This is quite easy, this link explains.

adjust gear cable - ib5

If you adjust to far then you will have difficulty getting 2,3 and reverse.


RE using ST170 engine.
This is quite possible, I have done it.  But there is more to do than most expect.

I am assuming that you have standard 1.8 with Ford ECU, ford exhaust manifold , standard exhaust downpipe with catalytic converter.

You will need the 1.8 flywheel from the 1.8 engine.  You can use the standard 1.8 clutch on that flywheel but I recommend that you get an uprated clutch and pressure plate.  The standard 1.8 clutch gives up if you push the 1.8 hard, with an ST170 it will give up and slip more often.

The ST170 has a different engine mount, very similar but it mounts about 1cm away from the standard 1.8 mount point.  you can just drill a new hole or use the existing mount hole, not such a big deal,  you can't use the 1.8 engine mount with the ST170 engine.

The exhaust will need to be made from scratch or an aftermarket 170 exhaust bought , cut and re-welded. The ST170 exhaust in standard or aftermarket form does not fit in the Sonic engine bay.  With some cutting and welding you can probably reuse your existing exhaust back box.

You will need the ST170 ecu or an aftermarket ecu,  you will need the st170 fuel pump, fuel pump controller or an aftermarket solution.

If you are using the ST170 clocks or the 1.8 clocks  and the ford ecu, you will need a signal adjuster as the ib5 speed signal for the ecu is different to the Getrag speed signal.  I am still trying to get this to work properly,  but I am waiting for warmer weather to return first.  If you have an aftermarket ecu and aftermarket clocks then it will be much simpler.

The ST170 engine and st170 parts will be about 1/3 the total cost, adjusting the exhaust will probably cost as much again , adding an uprated clutch the same again. 

This is a very brief summary, if you want to do it then I can try to explain in more detail.

Hello
I appreciate your post!
Today I use Megasquirt ECU. And it should be possible to use again with a new mapping.
Can I use IB5 gearbox? can it handle the new power?

[daydreamer]

I believe the ib5 gearbox has a torque rating of 165nm.
I also read that the ST170 engine makes 195nm of torque.

I imagine the effect on reliability and longevity will depend on driving style and the degree to which you exceed 165nm.

I have read that Ford typically manages max torque in the ecu where an ib5 is fitted.
I understand that Ford limits max engine torque through the engine by calculating the torque being generated by dividing the acceleration into assumed vehicle mass. As your vehicle is much lighter than a standard focus then even if you have much more power the periods when you will be applying higher amounts of torque should be for much shorter periods.

Personally I have the ib5 fitted to a ST170 and have no issues, about 500 miles so far of regular road use.

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Feb 25, 2017 22:34:31 GMT daydreamer said:

I believe the ib5 gearbox has a torque rating of 165nm.
I also read that the ST170 engine makes 195nm of torque.

I imagine the effect on reliability and longevity will depend on driving style and the degree to which you exceed 165nm.

I have read that Ford typically manages max torque in the ecu where an ib5 is fitted.
I understand that Ford limits max engine torque through the engine by calculating the torque being generated by dividing the acceleration into assumed vehicle mass. As your vehicle is much lighter than a standard focus then even if you have much more power the periods when you will be applying higher amounts of torque should be for much shorter periods.

Personally I have the ib5 fitted to a ST170 and have no issues, about 500 miles so far of regular road use.

thanks for the reply.
today I use Megasquirt 1 v3 ECU. it works well, but I do not know if the ST engine has the same type of ignition. EDIS.
Which ECU are you using?

[filled]

Plans form ST170
someone who has experience with this?

m.ebay.co.uk/itm/272413533072?_mwBanner=1

Coolig
My tech-english is not so good. But is this correct (Picture no. 2)
mevowners.proboards.com/thread/52/rocket-sonic-zetec-cooling-system?page=1
Picture no. 2.

Read more: mevowners.proboards.com/thread/1590/swedish-rocket?page=4#ixzz4ZpXt9m00

[filled]

Hi. long ago I read here. My car works well, but I want more power. Today I have a 1.8 liter zetec from a Ford focus 99-00. I have an IB5 gearbox.
I'm thinking of an ST170. I was going to buy a whole car and take parts from.

what should i keep in mind?
I see that people use different gearboxes.
should I use the original ECU? I have an MS1 today and it cannot control VVT.

(uses some google translate from Swedish)

[familyguy]

Some useful info for wiring the st170 using ford ecu.

mevowners.proboards.com/thread/8482/link-wiring-diagram-ford-focus

www.locostbuilders.co.uk/forum/viewthread.php?tid=190440&utm_source=FordOwnersClub&utm_medium=ForumLinks&utm_campaign=referrals

[casesensitive]

Im building an ST170 Rocket, I'm using the ME221 for management, and because why not, I picked up some Jenvey ITBs and shiny trumpets. Main things to look out for aside from VVT are:
* ST170 had a returnless fuel system, so you'll want to pick up or use the fuel rail from your existing Focus. I welded some aluminium barbs onto a Focus 2.0 fuel rail myself
* The gearbox (Getrag) uses different mount points, as does the engine, I ended up making new ones, cutting off the old one and welding it on. this ruined the powdercoat. IF you can use the IB5, and you don't care about 6th gear, I'd do that.
* Exhaust; I got taken for a ride on the exhaust; I paid too much. Don't be like me.
* Wiring, a few of our connectors are different, including the coolant temp sensor