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Post by mawdo81 on Feb 21, 2017 20:30:45 GMT
Although I have a well documented fondness for orange and blue, given you already have black panels, I think that's the answer here.
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Post by edvb on Feb 21, 2017 20:45:38 GMT
Black for me.
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Post by griffalo on Feb 21, 2017 20:53:19 GMT
Black or clear
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jack
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Post by jack on Feb 25, 2017 19:22:50 GMT
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Post by martinw on Feb 26, 2017 0:07:33 GMT
.......wow....now that's what I call attention to detail. A matching red transporter too!! Martin
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Post by kiwicanfly on Mar 4, 2017 21:36:02 GMT
Seat belt mount discussion moved to Technical
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Post by Stiggy on Mar 11, 2017 9:29:07 GMT
Please check you have a stamped in VIN, I can't see one.
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Post by jacksdad on Mar 11, 2017 20:15:22 GMT
we dont have a stamped VIN we have the plates ready to stamp and a welder who said he thinks he can weld them on with minimal damage to powdercoat when we get the car back assuming all i well when we connect driveshafts we will then be in full preparing for IVA and ECE cert mode so will get all these things sorted then
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Post by Stiggy on Mar 11, 2017 23:06:41 GMT
Sorry to hear about the lack of VIN, no idea how chassis could be supplied without one unless it was for racing only.
Apply for IVA without R100 cert. They have not asked us for one yet. They could do but best to find out b4 you go paying out to jump through hoops.
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Post by jacksdad on Mar 12, 2017 8:54:25 GMT
I don't think any chassis provided RTR had VIN plates before 2013.
Stuart thanks that's interesting i'll get it ready for IVA submit and see what happens - that would be cool if they passed it without r100, actually the requirement is reasonably and sensible and safe anyway so will comply with majority anyway probably just leave out the seat pressure pad, my latest plan was to have a requirement for the handbrake to be on and the break pedal pressed before the controller is able to put the motor in active driving mode.
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Post by Stiggy on Mar 12, 2017 9:07:52 GMT
I like the rule that requires a switch to stop the vehicle driving off with the charging lead still attached. I bet that's happened a few times. Then again if you had a long enough extension lead you wouldn't need to charge it at all. Now there's an idea.
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Post by mawdo81 on Mar 12, 2017 13:08:41 GMT
Yeah until instead of grid locked the roads are simply too tangled!😂😂😂
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Post by jacksdad on Mar 12, 2017 20:30:28 GMT
so here are my current thoughts for R100.01
5. SPECIFICATIONS AND TESTS 5.1. Protection against Electrical Shock These electrical safety requirements apply to high voltage buses under conditions where they are not connected to external high voltage power supplies. 5.1.1. Protection against Direct Contact The protection against direct contact with live parts shall comply with Paragraphs 5.1.1.1. and 5.1.1.2. These protections (solid insulator, barrier, enclosure, etc.) shall not be able to be opened, disassembled or removed without the use of tools. 5.1.1.1. For protection of live parts inside the passenger compartment or luggage compartment, the protection degree IPXXD shall be provided.
this is a long thin pin i'm hoping anderson connectors will meet this ??
5.1.1.2. For protection of live parts in areas other than the passenger compartment or luggage compartment, the protection degree IPXXB shall be satisfied.
this is a mechanical finger should be ok
5.1.1.3. Connectors Connectors (including vehicle inlet) are deemed to meet this requirement if: (a) They comply with 5.1.1.1. and 5.1.1.2. when separated without the use of tools, or
(b) They are located underneath the floor and are provided with a locking mechanism, or (c) They are provided with a locking mechanism and other components shall be removed with the use of tools in order to separate the connector,
? i guess i need to lock my anderson connectors ??
or (d) The voltage of the live parts becomes equal or below dc 60V or equal or below ac 30V (rms) within 1s after the connector is separated.
This would require a HVIL connector instead of anderson and contactors within each battery case
5.1.1.4. Service Disconnect For a service disconnect which can be opened, disassembled or removed without tools, it is acceptable if protection degree IPXXB is satisfied under a condition where it is opened, disassembled or removed without tools.
5.1.1.5. Marking
5.1.1.5.1. The symbol shown in Figure 1 shall appear on or near the REESS. The symbol background shall be yellow, the bordering and the arrow shall be black. Figure 1 Marking of High Voltage Equipment 5.1.1.5.2. The symbol shall also be visible on enclosures and barriers, which, when removed expose live parts of high voltage circuits. This provision is optional to any connector for high voltage buses. This provision shall not apply to any of the following cases: (a) Where barriers or enclosures cannot be physically accessed, opened, or removed; unless other vehicle components are removed with the use of tools; (b) Where barriers or enclosures are located underneath the vehicle floor. 5.1.1.5.3. Cables for high voltage buses which are not located within enclosures shall be identified by having an outer covering with the colour orange.
5.1.2. Protection against Indirect Contact 5.1.2.1. For protection against electrical shock which could arise from indirect contact, the exposed conductive parts, such as the conductive barrier and enclosure, shall be galvanically connected securely to the electrical chassis by connection with electrical wire or ground cable, or by welding, or by connection using bolts, etc. so that no dangerous potentials are produced.
Need to bond all metal parts tegether like equipotential bonding in a house i guess
5.1.2.2. The resistance between all exposed conductive parts and the electrical chassis shall be lower than 0.1 ohm when there is current flow of at least 0.2 amperes. This requirement is satisfied if the galvanic connection has been established by welding.
5.1.2.3. In the case of motor vehicles which are intended to be connected to the grounded external electric power supply through the conductive connection, a device to enable the galvanical connection of the electrical chassis to the earth ground shall be provided. The device should enable connection to the earth ground before exterior voltage is applied to the vehicle and retain the connection until after the exterior voltage is removed from the vehicle. Compliance to this requirement may be demonstrated either by using the connector specified by the car manufacturer, or by analysis.
I'm planning on doing test with an off board charger so i'm guessing the above does not apply to me
5.1.3. Isolation Resistance This Paragraph shall not apply to chassis connected electrical circuits where the maximum voltage between any live part and the electrical chassis or any exposed conductive part does not exceed 30Vac (rms) or 60Vdc.
5.1.3.1. Electric Power train consisting of Separate Direct Current- or Alternating Current-buses If ac high voltage buses and dc high voltage buses are galvanically isolated from each other, isolation resistance between the high voltage bus and the electrical chassis shall have a minimum value of 100Ω/V of the working voltage for dc buses, and a minimum value of 500Ω/V of the working voltage for ac buses.
I don't know what it means by AC and DC buses unless its talking about DC before controllers and AC (PWM) after controllers in which case they are isolated so i need a 100 x144 =14400 Ohm resitance between live cables and chassis - this should be ok im assuming
The measurement shall be conducted according to Annex 4 "Isolation resistance measurement method".
5.1.3.2. Electric power train consisting of combined dc- and ac-buses If ac high voltage buses and dc high voltage buses are galvanically connected isolation resistance between the high voltage bus and the electrical chassis shall have a minimum value of 500Ω/V of the working voltage.
However, if all ac high voltage buses are protected by one of the 2 following measures, isolation resistance between the high voltage bus and the electrical chassis shall have a minimum value of 100Ω/V of the working voltage: (a) Double or more layers of solid insulators, barriers or enclosures that meet the requirement in Paragraph 5.1.1. independently, for example wiring harness; (b) Mechanically robust protections that have sufficient durability over vehicle service life such as motor housings, electronic converter cases or connectors; The isolation resistance between the high voltage bus and the electrical chassis may be demonstrated by calculation, measurement or a combination of both. The measurement shall be conducted according to Annex 4 "Isolation resistance measurement method".
5.1.3.3. Fuel Cell Vehicles If the minimum isolation resistance requirement cannot be maintained over time, then protection shall be achieved by any of the following:
(a) Double or more layers of solid insulators, barriers or enclosures that meet the requirement in Paragraph 5.1.1. independently; (b) On-board isolation resistance monitoring system together with a warning to the driver if the isolation resistance drops below the minimum required value. The isolation resistance between the high voltage bus of the coupling system for charging the REESS, which is not energized besides during charging the REESS, and the electrical chassis need not be monitored. The function of the on-board isolation resistance monitoring system shall be confirmed as described in Annex 5.
I think this exists within the curtis controller so i assume this will be enough if i can program a warning from this although will only be on when controller is on ?? could use the CAN bus on the motor controller
5.1.3.4. Isolation Resistance Requirement for the Coupling System for Charging the REESS For the vehicle inlet intended to be conductively connected to the grounded external ac power supply and the electrical circuit that is galvanically connected to the vehicle inlet during charging of the REESS, the isolation resistance between the high voltage bus and the electrical chassis shall be at least 1MΩ when the charger coupler is disconnected. During the measurement, the traction battery may be disconnected.
5.3. Functional Safety
At least a momentary indication shall be given to the driver when the vehicle is in "active driving possible mode"
I have a light on the dashboard that lights up when pressing the accelerator will move the car
However, this provision does not apply under conditions where an internal combustion engine provides directly or indirectly the vehicle's propulsion power.
When leaving the vehicle, the driver shall be informed by a signal (e.g. optical or audible signal) if the vehicle is still in the active driving possible mode.
This is the bit that needs the pressure pad on the seat
If the on-board REESS can be externally charged by the user, vehicle movement by its own propulsion system shall be impossible as long as the connector of the external electric power supply is physically connected to the vehicle inlet.
This should be possible as battery charger has an interloc output
This requirement shall be demonstrated by using the connector specified by the car manufacturer.
The state of the drive direction control unit shall be identified to the driver.
reverse LED on dash
Let me know if anyone has any thoughts
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Post by Stiggy on Mar 13, 2017 17:02:46 GMT
I don't think any chassis provided RTR had VIN plates before 2013. Stuart thanks that's interesting i'll get it ready for IVA submit and see what happens - that would be cool if they passed it without r100, actually the requirement is reasonably and sensible and safe anyway so will comply with majority anyway probably just leave out the seat pressure pad, my latest plan was to have a requirement for the handbrake to be on and the break pedal pressed before the controller is able to put the motor in active driving mode. so there maybe more builders who will have to learn the art of welding to a powder coated chassis. Sorry haven't got time to answer your recent R100 post.
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Post by jacksdad on Mar 13, 2017 20:20:23 GMT
No worries
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