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Post by 4sfed on Aug 2, 2014 14:46:17 GMT
I forgot to mention, the wife picked me up a GoPro the other day for my birthday. I'm on my way to youtube postings.
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Post by erik on Aug 2, 2014 18:52:54 GMT
Kevin, Yes the wide tire swing arm has a jack shaft with a separate sprocket that kicks it out about 100mm to go around the fat tire. Are wide tire kits legal in the UK? Here they are on every show bike and chopper. Derrick Take note the short chain is into a lot of wear and so will the sprockets be worn out sooner as the original setup. You may reconsider to have one designed by RTR or have the engine offset to bin a set of chains Not sure if wide tires is the way to go. The tire is the weakest link in this drive train and will protect the clutch and gears from over torqueing. It's worth reconsidering not to change anything tot he swingarm br, Erik
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Post by 4sfed on Aug 2, 2014 22:02:16 GMT
Erik, Shouldn't the Cush drive be enough? I've had other machines that welded the Cush drive solid, it makes torque more pronounced, but I never had any driveline failure. I'm not sure I can sell the wide tire to the Boss of me just yet anyway. She is still reeling over the initial purchase and the impracticality of it. Wish me luck Derrick
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Post by slugshot on Aug 3, 2014 19:37:13 GMT
Kevin, I'll get the tank with cap. Did you disable the stock cap on your ride or is it better to just use an aftermarket radiator? The Honda car builders here are always trading or selling their stuff so maybe I'll look into aftermarket. I wish I had the kit here so I could measure the grill opening for what size radiator to use. Thanks again Derrick I bought a header tank that come with a cap to replace the std cap on the rad, though a modded std cap would be ok. If the R1 rad isn't efficient enough for all the extra power you're expecting you can easily fit a much bigger one as there's plenty of room at the front, you could easily fit one 2ft wide and 15in tall.
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Post by 4sfed on Aug 4, 2014 0:09:47 GMT
Kevin, I've been looking at overflow tanks and must have been looking in the wrong places. I found a gang of reasonably priced units on eBay hidden away in the back. If you don't mind I'll be stealing all of your ideas for routing the hoses. The larger radiator might have to happen if I drive in the summer here. The other day I got in my truck and thermostat on dash said 124F, it's hot here. Some say it's a dry heat, but it was raining at the time. Do you guy's do Moggers meet same time every year? If I were to ship my ride over are there any restrictions that you know of that foreigners vehicles have to meet? I know people ferry their vehicles around over there. Do the police harass the out of towners? When I was in Ireland I met a nice couple from England driving a motorhome said they were having a great time, no hassles. I'm not sure if the rules are the same, I've never been to England .This trip is probably 2 years out, I still don't have the kit.
Planning for the future Derrick
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Post by paulh on Aug 4, 2014 8:59:52 GMT
Hi Derrick I`m running a 2007 motor in mine and had to replace the radiator for something bigger as I managed to get the temperature gauge reading 125 degrees, and temp warning light flashing, several times. think I got a skoda radiator which filled the front grill and a much larger pair of fans. fans are controlled by ecu and come on at 108 degrees and off again at 103, so might be better with an override switch. Highest temperature I have seen since fitting the rad is 116, but your air temperature is just a little more than in rainy UK!!
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Post by erik on Aug 4, 2014 19:23:31 GMT
Erik, Shouldn't the Cush drive be enough? I've had other machines that welded the Cush drive solid, it makes torque more pronounced, but I never had any driveline failure. I'm not sure I can sell the wide tire to the Boss of me just yet anyway. She is still reeling over the initial purchase and the impracticality of it. Wish me luck Derrick Moto guzzi bikes didn't have cush drives and because of this 4000+rpm is advised to reduce the combustion waves in the engine and increase lifespan. On the newer models these have been added but still adviced to run them in the higher rpm range and they're right, at higher rpm range they feel smooth en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cush_drive
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Post by slugshot on Aug 4, 2014 20:38:26 GMT
Kevin, I've been looking at overflow tanks and must have been looking in the wrong places. I found a gang of reasonably priced units on eBay hidden away in the back. If you don't mind I'll be stealing all of your ideas for routing the hoses. The larger radiator might have to happen if I drive in the summer here. The other day I got in my truck and thermostat on dash said 124F, it's hot here. Some say it's a dry heat, but it was raining at the time. Do you guy's do Moggers meet same time every year? If I were to ship my ride over are there any restrictions that you know of that foreigners vehicles have to meet? I know people ferry their vehicles around over there. Do the police harass the out of towners? When I was in Ireland I met a nice couple from England driving a motorhome said they were having a great time, no hassles. I'm not sure if the rules are the same, I've never been to England .This trip is probably 2 years out, I still don't have the kit.
Planning for the future Derrick Hi Derrick I hope you're not getting mixed up with overflow tanks and header tanks, the header tank will have a pressure cap like on a rad and will part of the cooling system whereas an overflow or expansion tank only catches the coolant from the header if the pressure cap lifts. Heck 124f air temp makes me sweat just thinking about it, you might need a big oil cooler as well as a bigger rad. As for coming over for the annual Moggers meet I think it's always mid july when the weather's good, except this year which was very wet. I don't see any problem with you driving on the UK roads providing you have insurance and your tR1ke is road legal,ish. Iv'e not been stopped by the police in over 2 years, our police force mainly consists of yellow boxes at the side of the road taking nice pic's of you when you speed.
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Post by erik on Aug 4, 2014 21:44:56 GMT
124F=51C right? Am I missing something? that's close to half boiling temp of water.
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Post by 4sfed on Aug 4, 2014 23:07:37 GMT
Hi Derrick I`m running a 2007 motor in mine and had to replace the radiator for something bigger as I managed to get the temperature gauge reading 125 degrees, and temp warning light flashing, several times. think I got a skoda radiator which filled the front grill and a much larger pair of fans. fans are controlled by ecu and come on at 108 degrees and off again at 103, so might be better with an override switch. Highest temperature I have seen since fitting the rad is 116, but your air temperature is just a little more than in rainy UK!! Hey Paul, Let me say first I love what you have done with your ride. My Kit should start life at least in the same color scheme as yours minus the cool graphics. I think I'll take it down to have the body panels wrapped in black carbon fiber look, maybe have the orange show through as a racing stripe. I think you are right about the heat with the mods, I'll start out with the stock radiator till I have to upgrade( the bike has never overheated). Skoda is a brand name for an auto maker isn't it? I'm not sure what one would look like. Here in the US if wasn't designed by Noah and gets 5 gallons to the mile it may be hard to find. I may look for a sealed unit(no cap) since I took Kevin's advice and purchased a header tank with cap today. I'm curious what mods are you planning next? I figure if we are all going to copy you anyway,I might as well get the inside scoop.
Thanks,
Derrick
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Post by 4sfed on Aug 4, 2014 23:25:25 GMT
124F=51C right? Am I missing something? that's close to half boiling temp of water. Erik, You are correct sir. The asphalt is around 160F, you can cook on it. If you want the sensation, open the oven while its on and put your face in till it hurts. It's like that, but there is no stepping back, it's just that all day long. Some guy's die, some pass out there is always another to take his place. It's that feeling of being needed that makes you all warm and fuzzy. I make it sound bad, but it only lasts for a few months then its beautiful for 9 months non stop. My old job up north was freezing cold with snow piled higher than the street signs. I'll take the heat. I should work for the tourism board marketing devision, Derrick
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Post by 4sfed on Aug 4, 2014 23:47:16 GMT
Kevin, I've been looking at overflow tanks and must have been looking in the wrong places. I found a gang of reasonably priced units on eBay hidden away in the back. If you don't mind I'll be stealing all of your ideas for routing the hoses. The larger radiator might have to happen if I drive in the summer here. The other day I got in my truck and thermostat on dash said 124F, it's hot here. Some say it's a dry heat, but it was raining at the time. Do you guy's do Moggers meet same time every year? If I were to ship my ride over are there any restrictions that you know of that foreigners vehicles have to meet? I know people ferry their vehicles around over there. Do the police harass the out of towners? When I was in Ireland I met a nice couple from England driving a motorhome said they were having a great time, no hassles. I'm not sure if the rules are the same, I've never been to England .This trip is probably 2 years out, I still don't have the kit.
Planning for the future Derrick Hi Derrick I hope you're not getting mixed up with overflow tanks and header tanks, the header tank will have a pressure cap like on a rad and will part of the cooling system whereas an overflow or expansion tank only catches the coolant from the header if the pressure cap lifts. Heck 124f air temp makes me sweat just thinking about it, you might need a big oil cooler as well as a bigger rad. As for coming over for the annual Moggers meet I think it's always mid july when the weather's good, except this year which was very wet. I don't see any problem with you driving on the UK roads providing you have insurance and your tR1ke is road legal,ish. Iv'e not been stopped by the police in over 2 years, our police force mainly consists of yellow boxes at the side of the road taking nice pic's of you when you speed. Kevin, I got the right part, we are just calling the same part two different things. I purchased a surge or header tank today with pressure cap. The tank has a bottom inlet and a secondary port I guess to complete the loop. On top it has pressure cap and 1/8 inch overflow fitting. It's a small unit about 1 liter, I figured smaller is better for space. Your's is way better looking, more like a race car. I think mine is from a gocart or kids toy. I know what you mean about the camera boxes. They tried them here, but people voted them gone. I guess we like to speed and are willing to go to the polls to prove it. Derrick
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Post by erik on Aug 5, 2014 20:52:14 GMT
Hi Derrick, I agree 124F is way too much for humans but for engine temps it's very conservative. If you manage to clean up the rad (remove the sand in the cooling fins) the cooling area will be bigger as on the R1 where the front wheel blocks a laminair airflow. Not sure if a bigger rad is needed here. One other thing to reconsider is to locate the rad hoses outside the tunnel. Inside the tunnel the hot hose radiates heat to the cooled hose which reduces efficiency. Outside the tunnel both sides will waste heat br, Erik
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Post by 4sfed on Aug 6, 2014 1:09:20 GMT
Erik, I was just going back over your build, you have all the hoses neatly tied under the tunnel cover. Would it be best to route the coolant hoses to the outside near the frame? I would think the coolant hose going past your leg would be hot either inside or out. I could wrap them in fiberglass exhaust cover, but I don't think it would last or look good. If cooling becomes an issue i'll go bigger or add remote radiators on the sides. Good point about the tire blocking some of the air. Do you feel any heat from the exhaust pipes? Did you ever wrap them or have them coated? Derrick
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Post by erik on Aug 6, 2014 7:27:16 GMT
Hi Derrick, Routing the coolant hoses outside the tunnel prevents dissipating heat from the engine OUT to the engine IN and wind turbulence will cool the outside of the hoses as well. Like this the hoses will create additional cooling area As earlier mentioned, My tr1ke hasn't been changed at all since it's street legal exept for relocation of fuel pump and additional low rpm manual throttle lever. it's fine as it is. The only thing that seems to need a mod is heat wrap around the rear lights wiring where the spiral wrap hose gets affected by exhaust heat. Unfortunately a local dealer hasn't the correct diameter at this moment. My tR1ke is completed, no projects planned. For storage space I might reconsider a scooter top case in front of the passenger seat if i could source a narrow version. Placing my helmet in front of the seat feels like restricted legroom so no progress made until storage room is needed for a weekend trip. No, Exhausts aren't heat covered. You can feel the heat when standing still similar as on the bike with fans on blowing the heat upwards but not a concern at all. This is a downside of the large opening I made to cool the exhausts when driving. Works like a charm. Oil and water temp are okay. br, Erik
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