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Post by lukiez on Oct 23, 2011 21:09:43 GMT
having trial fitted the 32mm universal wheel spacers from rally design, i've noticed that the studs on them are shorter than the ones on the hub (even with the discs fitted). it takes only 4 turns (approx. 6mm) to do up the nuts which seems inadequate as opposed to 9 turns (~14mm). did anyone else noticed this? in the build manual it mentioned using ET45 offset with the spacers, i'm using ET38 wheels (original offset) so wondered if i needed a slightly thinner spacer (25mm?) instead with longer studs - meaning i'll have to disassemble the hubs and press out the old ones guess you can see why i'm not a big fan of wheel spacers in general...
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Post by pete on Oct 30, 2011 15:04:48 GMT
hi after seeing your post i thought i would fit one of my spacers to check it out mine has 5 turns 4 less than without spacers i suspect they are all the same i dont think i would have noticed myself.have you asked rally design about this,Pete.
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Post by lukiez on Oct 30, 2011 22:18:42 GMT
oddly, when they originally sent it i got UNF threaded ones, the 'studs' were fairly long compared to the correct ones they sent (M12 1.5) and noted the stubs were short... hence to why i checked then once the car was rolling. i checked with both the original alloy wheel and the new ones i intend to use - same result. i considered the thinkness of the alloy, but they would be too weak if they were thinner. seems the stubs are only long enough to use with steel rims, hardly of use to rally or motorsport i will be putting this to rally design, perhaps they have some with longer stubs or we need to look for alternatives (seen the eibach ones for 120 a set! ) - one springs to mind is sleeved nuts which RD have... (product code SN44) i'll give them a go first as the cheaper option
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Post by Stewart on Oct 31, 2011 19:24:32 GMT
I can have spacers custom made to fit the hub perfectly in whichever thickness you like. Hubcentric and bolt on hubcentric with studs supplied which are the same length as the originals to bolt the wheel to. Something like this: And they'll be cheaper than the Eibach ones too
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Post by sspogman on Oct 31, 2011 19:32:16 GMT
They certainly look like a decent bit of kit, would be interested to know the price - does it get cheaper as more of us show interest...
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Post by lukiez on Oct 31, 2011 20:19:51 GMT
hi guys for those following this, i can confirm that wheel nuts with sleeves are needed if using the universal wheel spacer kits (by Grayston). the nuts are specifically to enable alloys to be used where steels are common. below is the difference between the nut from the mx5 and the new sleeve nut on the right [i opted for shorter nuts as it'll look/work better with the alloys i'm using, but longer ones are available) here you can see how they fit to the wheel, the standard nut on the left is shallow in the hole which is fine on the original mx5 stubs as they're long enough, on the right the sleeved nut fits deeper in the hole so will 'grab' more thread as a final comparison, see the difference on the supplied stubs from the spacer kit, with a line drawn across its immediately apparent that the standard nut is barely held on thus liable to stripping (not unheard of), where with a sleeve its further on the stub. i found a supplier online who sells a whole variety of nuts, bolts, valves, spacers for wheels who by coincidence is very local to me and also confirmed my original concerns that the studs are too short if using standard nuts - cost me about £32 cash (since no postage and VAT) www.mistertee.co.uk/
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Post by lukiez on Oct 31, 2011 20:50:20 GMT
with regards to TheFreak, i do like the look of your spacers and agree at about £140 for a set of 4 its much cheaper than the eibach ones however i thought for the purpose of budget (already spent a pretty penny so far : altho not as nice and in the case of people who already bought the rally design ones as recommended by mev in the build guide etc. but stress of the potential danger that many may overlook without checking needs to be highlighted, thankfully i was able to find a suitable solution within a similar budget without having to buy a new set of spacers and lumped with one i can't use. if i build a second exocet (big IF !!) then the first port of call would be TheFreak's spacers ;D
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Post by sspogman on Oct 31, 2011 21:56:47 GMT
Totally agree with Lukiez's comments around budgets and bespoke spacers being the ideal solution if you haven't yet bought any spacers.
My thinking was more around the comparable cost vs suitability of one solution against the other. Based on the price quoted you're looking at £38.40 plus delivery for the nuts alone, making it somewhere around the £45-50 mark I would guess.
In his post, thefreak stated that these bespoke spacers would come in cheaper than the Eibachs (which have been priced in a previous reply at £120), meaning that the price difference should hopefully be around £50.
Whilst I can do without having to find another £100, the way I see it is that I need to find £50 for the nuts anyway, so what we're really talking about is a question of whether the other wheel spacers are worth an extra £50 (ish, depending on the exact price)...
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Post by bigjeff on Nov 1, 2011 6:15:58 GMT
Not bought spacers yet and getting confused - the feeling seems to be that the Rally Design ones aren't up to the job and - so far -the alternatives are too expensive ! Looks like an opportunity "Thefreak" - post a price, get it right, and wait for the orders (mine will be the first)
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Post by lukiez on Nov 1, 2011 8:53:47 GMT
"Not bought spacers yet and getting confused " worry not, thought it might happen. right, the rally design ones will do the job - just be aware that the stubs are short therefore needs sleeved wheel nuts as demostrated above. just to the clarify the costs: 'budget' option - rally design spacer kit x2 = £27 +postage [kit is £13.50 each] sleeve wheel nuts x16 = £32 +VAT & postage total £80 (approx.) recommended option - thefreak's spacer kit (for set of 4) = £140 +postage total £150? (approx.) premium ("luxury" brand) option - eibach spacer kit x2 = £240 +postage [kit is £120 each] total £250 (approx.) so there you have it hope this helps, with the RD and eibach ones they only come in a pack of 2 for one axle therefore you would need 2 (as already calculated for each option) where thefreak's is either 70 of set of 2 (one axle) or 140 for a complete set of 4 (both axles). regarding the wheel nuts, while VAT is added normally the guy left it off as i was local and paid cash, he also mentioned if i bought a batch he would do a discount i'll dont know what the full saving would be but could roughly be about 35-40 instead of 45-50? i would need to buy in excess of about 6 'units' of 16 nuts each. if i get enough interest i could get more concrete details
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Post by Stewart on Nov 1, 2011 10:12:56 GMT
With regards prices for the bolt on spacers we do, I can move a bit on the price if there's a quantity ordered (as always).
One-off prices (and include everything to fit to the car, new nuts, studs etc) 2x27mm bolt on spacers £70.00 plus shipping. 4x27mm bolt on spacers £135.00 plus shipping.
If you want thicker, they go up £2.50/pair for every 5mm increase each side.
If I place an order for 3 or more sets, I can knock £5.00 off per pair if 2 are ordered, and £7.00 off if 2 pairs are ordered.
I'll also do free delivery on a group buy (if all ordered/shipped at the same time).
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Post by Andy888 on Nov 1, 2011 23:02:34 GMT
Would be interesting to her Stiggy's thoughts on this since he recommended the Rally Design spacers in the first place. Also be interesting know what the race cars are using and how they are getting on.
The Rally Design ones definitely feel cheap and don't inspire any confidence.
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Post by Stewart on Nov 1, 2011 23:23:29 GMT
Are the rally design ones cast or machined billet? It's hard to tell from the pics.
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Post by lukiez on Nov 2, 2011 0:09:39 GMT
billet, at those prices?! ;D definately cast, i think its alu
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Post by Stewart on Nov 2, 2011 8:20:14 GMT
That's what I thought The ones we make are all machined billet.
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